Thanks, Francesca!
“Dear Greg, I’m about to build my own hummingbird photography setup and I’m on a really tight budget. One of the things that I really admire of your hummingbird photography is that you only use a few flashes when compared to other pros and I like your results a lot better! Your creativity with flash placement and settings allows for more freedom and as you say, your hummingbird photos are ever changing and much more realistic than I’ve seen elsewhere. This brings me some hope: talent and creativity are indeed more important than costly 8 flashes setups!
So first of all, thanks for sharing your work and your insight.
Now, speaking about my situation, I’d like to ask you for some advice. I’m looking to build a four flash setup (three on the bird, one on the background). I’d like to buy used 430EX (the older version) which are going for about 200 dollars or less. I am thinking of triggering them using my 580EXII mounted on the hotshoe of my camera. I’m not too sure about this though as I think the 580 always fires a preflash even when it’s set to off and I’m not sure about the impact that this light would have on the set. Maybe the ST-E2 would be a better choice as it only transmits an infrared signal? Then I could use the transmitter to trigger all the flashes, use the 580 I already have on the background and only buy three 430EX along with the ST-E2. But I’m also concerned about the ST-E2 need for a non-rechargeable, difficult to find and quite expensive battery.
I hope you can help me to take the best decision.
Thanks so much in advance!
From Chiapas, Mexico
Francesca Albini”
I use the older versions of the Canon 430 EX Speedlite myself. I bought them new when they were current but if you can find reliable used models, they will work great for you. For Nikon shooters, the Nikon SB-600 is a similarly good option. And I often use a 550 EX on the background. Though the recycling times between the larger and smaller flash should differ slightly, I’ve never run into problems.
For triggering the setup, I recommend the Canon ST-E2 transmitter over the Canon 580 EX (or 550 EX). (Note: I would give the same advice to Nikon shooters. Get the SU-800 Flash Commander for triggering multi-flash setups. It’s a great little unit, and the interface, by the way, is much better than the Canon transmitter’s.) The transmitter is much more reliable and will not give you an extra catchlight in the bird’s eye. Even if you turn the flash away as much as possible, I’ve found this to be a problem when using a master flash rather than a transmitter to trigger the other flashes. One note on the 580 firing a pre-flash, this would only apply to the best of my knowledge if you were working in TTL flash mode (or E-TTL) because this pre-flash is used to measure the proper flash output for the actual exposure. For the hummingbird setups, however, you will be working with the flashes in manual mode. So, no pre-flash.
I totally agree with you that the downside of the Canon transmitter is the strange batteries they use. They are expensive anywhere and it sounds like they’re just as hard to find in Mexico as they are in Costa Rica. By the way, the Nikon commander uses different but similarly non-standard batteries. Perhaps there is an engineering reason I don’t understand, but I really wish they would stick with AAs so that we could use rechargeable batteries for the transmitter. But this aside, my recommendation to you, Francesca, is still to go with the transmitter over the master flash to trigger your hummingbird setups.
There is a Chinese version of the Canon transmitter that I just read about yesterday. It’s basically a knockoff of the Canon version but it has three nice advantages. First, supposedly the price is about half that of the Canon. Second, it uses AA batteries! And third, you can actually swivel the transmitter while mounted in the hotshoe so that it will fire flashes behind the camera (not a big deal for hummingbird photography but for macro work this would be nice). The big question is whether or not it will really work reliably or last for a long time. I’ve heard lots of stories about cheaper third-party flashes and transmitters dying or performing inconsistently, and I’ve had this happen myself with some flashes by Sigma for Canon cameras. So, my rule with flashes and accessories of this type (where you are triggering things through the cameramaker’s own propietary infrared wireless system, not via radio frequency) is to stick with your camera brand. Nonetheless, the Chinese transmitter sure looks cool! You can check it out here: http://strobist.blogspot.com/2010/08/yongnuo-john-snow-st-e2-punches-above.html
By the way, you might also be tempted to think about other flash units that could be fired as simple optical slaves but I do not recommend this for two reasons. First, I find these to be inconsistent as they may not all fire, particularly on a sunny day where the differential between flash and bright sunlight might be too low. And second, even if the aforementioned is not a problem, flashes triggered via optical slave will go off whenever another photographer nearby uses a flash, which can create big problems.
I hope this helps, Francesca. Best of luck with your setup and, if you have further questions, please be sure to follow up by using the comments below.
Cheers,
Greg
Multi-flash hummingbird photography takes a ton of gear. Here are some of my favorite items to get you started for both Canon and Nikon.
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| Canon 300 mm f2.8 lens | Canon 70-200 mm f4 lens | Canon 70-300 mm f4-5.6 lens |
| Razor sharp, I use this lens often with a 25 mm extension tube for closer focusing. The fixed focal length is a drawback though; you’ll have to move around as you change props. | A 70-200 mm lens is great for multi-flash hummingbird setup work. You’ll want a 1.4x TC, though, if you use this on a full-frame body. | I think this new lens will be the perfect hummingbird lens. Light, sharp, and with reach for any kind of DSLR body, the zoom will offer great flexibility in composing on the fly. |
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| Flash Transmitter | Canon 430 EX Speedlite | Canon 580 EX Speedlite |
| The ST-E2 is your choice. There are a number of cheap radio slaves out there but in my experience they aren’t that reliable. | Great recycle time, reliable slave action, and a lower price point make this the flash of choice for building a Canon hummingbird setup. | I wouldn’t spend the money on these to make a flash setup but if you have one, it can be incorporated into the mix with some 430s. |
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| Nikon 300 f2.8 | Nikon 70-200 f2.8 | Nikon 200-400 mm f4 |
| Razor sharp, you can use this lens often with a 25 mm extension tube for closer focusing. The fixed focal length is a drawback though; you’ll have to move around as you change props. | A 70-200 mm lens is great for multi-flash hummingbird setup work. You’ll want a 1.4x TC, though, if you use this on a full-frame body. | If you already have this great wildlife lens, definitely put it to use for your multi-flash hummingbird photography. |
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| Nikon SU-800 Transmitter | Nikon SB700 Flash | Nikon SB900 Flash |
| The SU-800 is your choice. There are a number of cheap radio slaves out there but in my experience they aren’t that reliable. | Great recycle time, reliable slave action, and a lower price point make this the flash of choice for building a Nikon hummingbird setup. SB600s work great too. | I wouldn’t spend the money on these to make a flash setup but if you have one, it can be incorporated into the mix with some 600s and/or 700s. |
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| Impact Light Stands | Manfrotto Articulating Arm | Super Clamp |
| These light stands are light and cheap, perfect for setting up your flashes. | The Manfrotto articulating arms are great to hold props such as flowers. The Wimberley Plamp is not strong enough for this purpose. | The super clamp goes on one end of the Manfrotto arm to clamp the arm onto a light stand, tripod, or tree branch. |
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| Mini Clamp | Giottos Mini-Ballhead | Flash Diffusers |
| The mini clamp goes on the other end of the arm. This is what you’ll use to hold your flowers. | This goes on top of your light stand. Put your flash on the plastic shoe that came with it and then screw the shoe into the ballhead — a perfect fit. | I occassionaly will use flash diffusers for hummingbird work. This set from B&H is nice and quite cheap. Note that diffusers will cut anywhere from 1 to stops of light from your flash. |

Hi Greg, thank you so much for your answer and for sharing your knowledge about multi-flash hummingbird photography. As someone who is just planning to use this technique but has no direct experience with this kind of setups, reading about multi-flash photography concepts can sound pretty abstract and at times, even a bit intimidating (at least for me). Maybe that’s because of the subject I shoot; beeing a bird photographer I have no studio experience and I had never thought about using more than one flash at once. So being helped by someone who has already been there and knows about the ins and outs of putting up a multi-flash setup for hummingbirds is invaluable in my opinion.
Thanks your comments regards the ST-E2 transmitter, it sounds like the best option for me. I still have to sort the battery problem out as I haven’t been able to buy one in my town so far. I’m awaiting for a response from a local camera shop, they seem to be able to sell these batteries but only upon request, since they regularly don’t have them in stock. So I might be better buying more than one at a time and yes, they are expensive. Indeed it would be great if Canon had provided us with an AA batteries powered version of the transmitter. The Yongnuo unit you mentioned looks great in this sense plus has some interesting specs; it’s a pity that they only ship from Hong Kong or else I would be tempted to try one of those. But as you say, Canon equipment sounds just more reliable.
As for the 580EX II unit I have, I think I will direct it on the background and hope that it will play nice along with the three 430EX that I’m going to buy. By the way, I’ve been playing a bit with my 580 and as far as I can tell, it does seem to always emit a burst of light just in order to communicate with the slave units; I guess this is quite different from a regular E-TTL preflash. The manual says: “You can disable the master unit from firing so that only the slave unit(s) will fire a flash.” But then it goes on and specifies: ” Even if you disable the master unit’s flash firing , it will still fire a preflash to transmit wireless signals.”
I went ahead and tried this and indeed, the flash fires even when set to “master off”. So I guess that this would have an impact on the final capture, at least probably adding one more catchlight in the bird’s eye. It’s good to know that the ST-E2 doesn’t create this problem.
Well, it’s more than enough talk on my part, I now need to start looking for some affordable used speedlites and learn from direct experience through trial and error. I’m sure this will be fun because hummingbirds are amazing creatures and you can’t get bored when you are lucky enough to spend some time with them.
Thank you so much Greg for sharing this info and keep up the great work!
Francesca
My pleasure, Francesca. I’m glad the reply was helpful. The 580 EX will indeed work just fine on the background with the 430 EX Speedlites you will have. Now I see what you mean by the pre-flash. We were talking about two different things, and you are right, the flash always fires even when set to only be the master trigger. I’ve noticed the same thing with the Canon 7D and Nikon D300s built-in flashes, which is why I find a transmitter invaluable if you don’t want any light coming from the camera axis.
If you are going to be doing a lot of hummingbird photography, I definitely would buy a number of the 2CR5 6v lithium batteries. You might ask your camera store if they’ll give you a deal for 10. Or if you have anyone coming to visit you from the US, you can get Kodak brand for $10 each and Sanyo brand for $5 each online. Even if you were able to buy online and have them shipped to you (don’t know what customs issues you might have though), you might end up saving money. I’m having a friend from the US bring me 10 batteries in November.
Best of luck, and please don’t hesitate to post back to this thread with any further questions you might have.
Saludos,
Greg
Hi Greg!
Very informative read. There’s lots for me to learn here! and yikes! those batteries are quite expensive…Thanks to Francesca for bringing the question and to your for all the valuable information.
Expensive indeed, Juan Carlos. I’m thinking of trying out the Chinese John Snow transmitter just to save money on batteries!
Cheers,
Greg
Hi Greg,
In your hummingbird setup, I believe you set the slaves to manual and set a reduced power setting on each flash. I find I am unable to do that with the 550EX flashes; they will not set to manual mode with the switch set to SLAVE. The master flash on the camera, either the 7D built in flash, or a 550 on the camera, will control the remote flashes. When set to manual on the master, the power settings of the remotes can be set individually if I have three remotes in group A, B and C. Can you explain how you set your remots to manual? Is it a 430EX feature?
Hi, Dennis. The Canon ST-E2 transmitter doesn’t have the capability to set the power or TTL output of the slave flashes so, yes, I set each flash manually.
The 550 has a little trick to it. Set it to slave mode via the little switch on the bottom. Then press and hold down the “Mode” button for a few seconds, and you will see the mode switch to manual on the LCD screen. Then just go ahead and set channel and power ratio to your liking.
Cheers,
Greg